GrandVJ 1.5 beta - Feedback and Bug reports

by **absentcinema** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:15 pm

pierre wrote:absentcinema:

The tooltip will be fixed in the final version of GrandVJ 1.5

As the feature set is now fixed for this version, we won't change the way the transitions work in GrandVJ 1.5.
However, if you give me some detailed examples about how this feature could be used in Mixer mode, we could think about improving it in a next version.

Essentially, the way transitions would fit best into my own personal workflow would be to be able to specify a transition for individual clips, then have those transitions executed when the layer play/stop toggle is used (maybe if the layer is set to A/B this transition is overrided). Like how they work in synth mode essentially. For me ideally I'd like synth and mixer mode to be combined, I'd like the flexibility of being able to use methods from both.

by **absentcinema** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:27 pm

Another example of combing synth/mixer is having a latch toggle for each layer. So specified layers could be used for playing in unlatched synth style without resorting to killing the layer between triggering clips.

by **hypnotica** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:51 pm

GrandVJ Beta 2 :

Interface:
-fix required on mixing tab the mixing presets pull down too much spacing.
- any chance to add simple code enable/disable caption bar option in menu? Most software try to give better look in skin mode like wmp or mc ...

Question on the test audio connect button causes interface not to re-size as much like the 1.2. Is this button be removed and put in the menu?

Like usual Master preview and layer preview image are not centered.

Transition Circle Open / Close looks more like oval or ellipse. I like but in certain case might need the real circle.

There a new Source called Network Stream 1 it doesn't do any thing. Nothing to config it. What is it for and how will it function?

by **jcbklyny** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:48 pm

Still NO AUDIO from MPG files since DEV version.

Beta 1 and Beta 2 - the same. No audio from MPG

- John

by **vostek** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:47 pm

Unfortunately I'm still having trouble with the ArkaosConnect VST, but it seems to be closer to success than with beta 1!
With beta2 I am now able to select the ArkaosVST host from the preferences in GVJ (though it is still saying 'searching for hosts...' to the right of the drop down box). However, back in FL Studio (the new version 10 that was released a day or two ago) the VST plugin is still saying 'number of connections: 0' and the 'connected' light is still not illuminated. I was able to route the MIDI though, and I have some automation on CCs that are mapped to parameters in GVJ, so the 'MIDI' indicator does light up in the plugin, but it's still not sending anything to GVJ. Am I missing something, or possibly another bug? Let me know if I can provide more information...

by **ravenmoon** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:24 am

tested with ableton arkaos vst connect. Found that Grand VJ interface lock up after a few minutes of audio bass effect.

by **SHARYN** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:36 am

SO the new beta works (now the plug in is called Connect) connection did work and I can hear audio so that is good. I do seem to find that keeping the connection (all running on same pc) can be an issue. Also even though I was able to reduce the volume from the plugin coming into VJ there is some amount of stuttering.. BUT definitely works much better than in the first version

Great work

Sharyn

by **SHARYN** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:51 pm

Couple of things re VST CONNECT beta 2
the exe for grandvj in the download still shows beta1, but the vst is not arkaos connect

I have tested a few configurations

One is under win7/32 both GVJBeta2 and Virtual DJ on same machine, there is stuttering on the audio feed, all levels respond to changes, but looks like packets are getting dropped or corrupted?

Thinking it might be cpu issue I then tested with GVBeta 2 on Win7 /32 and VIrtual DJ on win7/64, the plug in arkaos connect finds other machine correctly (need to have the Virtual DJ with Arkaos Connect up first, but finds it and sends audio, but again stuttering (I moved audio buffer size up to 2048, from 1024, some improvement, buffer 512 worse, but changing buffer does on occasion crash GVbeta 2

Decided to move other way around (I have two licensed copies of GVJ and VIrtual Dj, with GVJ on the morepowerful machine, but still have the stuttering problem

I did notice that it seems that you need to go into preferences and test audio at least once to have the GVJ tool bar audio test to work. IF you are in preferences, then you cannot alter the audio levels on input or output, but after closing works

Definitely the connection between the plugin and GVJ is more stable (in beta1 the connection would keep disappearing from the preferences page going back to 0 connections, needing to be re selected, this seems to now work in beta2

It does look like in the plug in window on virtual dj, that the connections does not respond to loosing the connection, I shut down GVJ and it still showed connection (but it might just take more time)

So at this point outside of the stuttering which is quite noticeable, things are much better

Since I have never tried to control a display on GVj via audio, can you possible post a file that will when played with the plugin activated respond to the audio feed?

Perhaps more description as to actually how to set up the video file for audio control??

Sharyn

by **SHARYN** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:53 pm

Forgot to mention connection speed set to highest in all cases

Sharyn

by **hypnotica** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:04 am

Notice when there a usb dropout and reconnect the software won't trigger even when reloading midi mapping. Any chance to have a auto reinitialize midi device without having restart the app?

:idea:

Question an effect on upper layer without visual when assigning A or B shouldn't it affects only the channel i tried every copy modes (might need an extra one for this case!). Can there an option for AB linking or should it be a default function then what is current? This way you can assign more effects to a single clip just by putting fx on other layers and setting linking to A or B.

Also there's a missing function A B Cross fader. Since fade got time delay. Now it would be needing a Auto button or extra button next to the 8 transition for the function when press Full A or B it auto cross fade and stay till cross fader is used again. Abit like Panasonic video mixer with auto button

Will Transition effect have more values like Slide has only texture. It should have the X Y Z so that could slide Right to Left or opposite. Up down zoom in out...

Matrix Bank Right Arrow and Left Arrow click at the end of the banks should loop back first and end when using mouse . Right now just ends.

Transition Spreading Blinds very nice. When Density value 0 and Orientation is at 45 degree cross there a glitch a certain point of the cross fader.

Transition Circles: An idea to add value scale, multiply, Random Position on sliders. It would give it a movement. For future version is would work on tempo/audio function.

PS any chance to add Transition loader to external folder for png's ? Or just and open transition where you can just drag imge into the icon of that custom one?

by **FrankySpanky** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:46 pm

Could you please built in the Clip Thumbnail Refresh function into the final version?

by **Quentin** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:12 am

Thank you for all your feedbacks. All ideas are noted and will be discussed.

A general remark : if the sound in GrandVJ through ArKaos Connect is jerky, try first to change the “connection speed” in preferences menu/ArKaos Connect. The “highest” value will often create glitches, the normal value should work for a vast majority of configurations.

Vostek:
ArKaos Connect should work with FL studio 10. What is your configuration? (OS) . What buffer size do you use in FL ?

Sharyn :
you can use any video clip and add “Sound controlled” effect (for the moment there are just 2 bass zoom) or you can use Live Generators that will react to the sounds.

hypnotica :
When you set an effect on a upper layer, it actually does affect channel A or B only, if a destination deck is selected.
New transitions will be present in the final version, with more parameters.

by **hypnotica** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:02 pm

hypnotica :
When you set an effect on a upper layer, it actually does affect channel A or B only, if a destination deck is selected.
New transitions will be present in the final version, with more parameters.

Here's an example: layer 1 background layer 2 Half size visual selected B Layer 3 Effect comic selected B. Problem is layer 1 background gets affected by the effect on layer 3. It would be really nice to have the third option in this case selected only affect selected without loosing layer 1 background that cannot be on A.

by **tvdz** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:56 am

Thanks a lot for the feedback!

It is indeed difficult to do this in the current version (a layer with only an effect will take always the full previous layer as its source). Currently the only solution is to put the effect really on the visual layer itself (but currently you cannot put 2 effects on a layer...).

But we have this issue already a long time on our minds and you can expect a nice solution soon.

hypnotica wrote:
hypnotica :
When you set an effect on a upper layer, it actually does affect channel A or B only, if a destination deck is selected.
New transitions will be present in the final version, with more parameters.

Here's an example: layer 1 background layer 2 Half size visual selected B Layer 3 Effect comic selected B. Problem is layer 1 background gets affected by the effect on layer 3. It would be really nice to have the third option in this case selected only affect selected without loosing layer 1 background that cannot be on A.

by **hypnotica** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:26 pm

Thank's for the quick reply.

Feature question on New Preview Tab PC version. Could the preview have a stand alone version or command line option to grandvj for shell integration to preview. If possible then extract like matrix and keyboard would be great for that.

by **vj_stello** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:27 pm

1.5 beta2 sur MacOS :
le glissement d'un clip dans une cellule de la bank fait crasher l'application. Le même clip avec la version 1.2.2 marche très bien...
Dommage, y a plein de nouvelles choses que j'aurais bien voulu tester !
En tout cas, la preview c'est terrible. Ca faisait longtemps que j'attendais cela...

by **jannypan** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:50 am

Interface doesn't save last know sizing.

by **hypnotica** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:51 pm

Transition Panel: Doesn't save favorite transitions.

Transition in mixer mode should also have the transition tab like in synth mode. The biggest difficulty in mixer mode manual cross fading sometimes be best to have the option to auto take A to B based on fade time. Need that extra button lock cross fader to time delay as an option.

Transition Slide texture doesn't do anything. Note Slide would be nice that it work like Rectangle Inflation. Transition base on the element not the whole frame. Like this you can slide a small box without forcing the sliding of the background layer.

PNG's with transparency maximum copy mode still does lots of white.

Request option disable move over popup. Info in Info tab should carry all data. also popup cause blocking from user to enable drag and drop when info is very long.

by **pierre** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:37 am

Transition Panel: Doesn't save favorite transitions.

You need to have the "Save Mixer State" preference turned on.
This preferences is now turned on by default for new users.

Interface doesn't save last know sizing.

That will be fixed.

le glissement d'un clip dans une cellule de la bank fait crasher l'application. Le même clip avec la version 1.2.2 marche très bien...

Vous voulez parler de tous les clips ou seulement certains?
Quel est le format de ces clips?

Thank you all for your feedback.

by **hypnotica** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:34 am

Thank you pierre your right my setting was turned off. It works fine.

Feature request be great if the visual tab in/out point could interact with the visual thumbnail. Like this you can have a easy set In/out point per clip without using any layers on a AB channel.

by **pierre** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:54 pm

Feature request be great if the visual tab in/out point could interact with the visual thumbnail. Like this you can have a easy set In/out point per clip without using any layers on a AB channel.

That's part of the plan. This will come in the next major version.

by **askapple** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:53 pm

I've been having an issue, where out of nowhere, I lose the ability to make adjustments to colors in the mixing section as well as adjust effects or times or speed. I do alot of programming on the fly and this really leaves me with my hands tied behind my back in the middle of shows when it happens

by **askapple** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:58 pm

Also, whenever I change clips the menu at the top center always goes back to transitions, even though it says it may be on effect, mixing or position, and I have to switch back to whatever tab I was at

by **pierre** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:24 am

I've been having an issue, where out of nowhere, I lose the ability to make adjustments to colors in the mixing section as well as adjust effects or times or speed. I do alot of programming on the fly and this really leaves me with my hands tied behind my back in the middle of shows when it happens

Also, whenever I change clips the menu at the top center always goes back to transitions, even though it says it may be on effect, mixing or position, and I have to switch back to whatever tab I was at

Could you be more specific?
For each of those problems, please describe the mode you're working on, and the exact actions that leads to the issue, so we can reproduce it precisely and thus fix it.

Thank you.

by **askapple** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:40 pm

I've been trying both the new beta as well as the 101214, and have had the issues with both. I just tried using my old macbook, and it seems to run better on it than my new mac pro(which is what i have at work tied into an led screen). I can't really pinpoint when the attributes stop working, but as far as the switching back to transitions it happens pretty much every time I change loops. As far as i can tell it seems like it's something to do with snow leopard. Any chance that's the case?

by **pierre** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:52 pm

but as far as the switching back to transitions it happens pretty much every time I change loops. As far as i can tell it seems like it's something to do with snow leopard.

Mixer mode, Synth mode?
What do mean by "change loops"?
What's going wrong when the problem occurs?
We need detailed elements in order to be able to reproduce thus fix the problem.

by **askapple** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:40 pm

synth mode, it's happening everytime i drop a new effect or file into a bank or change to select a new clip within a bank. The section in the top middle where you make adjustments to position, mixing, transtion or effect it always goes back to transitions , the actual tab does itself does not go to transitions, but the work area below is what is effected, so what I'm having to do is click onto any of the other tabs, then go back to the one I was actually trying to work on.

by **pierre** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:00 pm

synth mode, it's happening everytime i drop a new effect or file into a bank or change to select a new clip within a bank. The section in the top middle where you make adjustments to position, mixing, transtion or effect it always goes back to transitions , the actual tab does itself does not go to transitions, but the work area below is what is effected, so what I'm having to do is click onto any of the other tabs, then go back to the one I was actually trying to work on.

I can't reproduce it.
What system do you use?
Is there a possibility for you to record your screen?

by **pointless dav** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:46 pm

triplehead issue @ 3072x768px
frame rate drops when compared to non beta version ( by about a 3rd). the calculations of fps seem totally different.
same with manual fading- very jittery even with still images. tried with h264 anf pjpeg codecs.
also, it's nice that the preview now follows the th2g aspect ratio but the image remains very small.

love the transition tab though.

any chance of some kind of "next cue" function that would would like a spacebar? could just activate the next cell in the bank with a single key.

thanks

osx 10.6 macbook pro 2ghz

by **pierre** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:31 pm

triplehead issue @ 3072x768px
frame rate drops when compared to non beta version ( by about a 3rd). the calculations of fps seem totally different.

Could you try to disable visual preview then do the test again?

same with manual fading- very jittery even with still images. tried with h264 anf pjpeg codecs.

Isn't it related to the performances drop you've just mentioned?

also, it's nice that the preview now follows the th2g aspect ratio but the image remains very small.

You can always resize the Preview panel to make it bigger.

Thanks for the feedback.

by **tiburce** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:58 am

Hi
Just a question for all GrandVJ versions, so 1.5 too.

To avoid a processor overload which crashes sometimes the application, it would be great to set up the number of cells we could trigger simultaneously !!!
Sometimes when you play 8 cells (layering all the cells in synthe mode) via a MIDI controller Hardware and you send some effects via MIDI Notes Software (via Live for instance), Arkaos Crashes !!! The only thing I've observed is probably a processor overloading. That happens with a very strong desktop computer :

Amd 6 cores
8 Go RAM
1 Go GeForce Memory Card

So this is sometimes a very big problem during a set !!! Sure, I can start again Arkaos without problem (all midi controller and midi functionnalities of Live work fine), but there is no video during one or two minutes.
I can't imagine the problem with a notebook (even an Alienware one)
Thanks a lot
Tiburce

by **shado** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:52 am

Just today, I updated to the latest TouchOSC version 1.7 for my iPad and the TouchOSC Editor version 1.5 for my desktop machines. Now, my custom OSC assignments no longer work in GrandVJ and I don't know what to do. I have a show in two days and I rely on my iPad quite a bit to control visuals. Sure, GrandVJ recognizes that an OSC signal is being sent and the automatic OSC mappings will be recognized by the software but I have multiple pages where the crossfader is always /crossfader instead of the name automatically generated based on page and object. It was working like a champ yesterday so I am kicking myself for updating. Can you please look into it for me? Thanks

by **Quentin** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:26 pm

A new beta has been developped fixing a lot of bugs, including :

Here are the links :
Mac OS X: ftp://ftp.arkaos.net/pub/seeding/GrandVJ/ArKaos_GrandVJ_1_5_beta3_Mac.zip
Windows: ftp://ftp.arkaos.net/pub/seeding/GrandVJ/ArKaos_GrandVJ_1_5_beta3_Windows.zip

We're waiting for some new feedback regarding beta 3!

by **SHARYN** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:48 pm

So I decided to try somethings and it looks like for some reason when I had IE9 running I could not get GVJ in any versions to run would crash on the original non beta version it said insufficient video capability.. So GVJ is good to go, just to make sure ie9 the resource hog is not running

Sharyn

by **SHARYN** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:19 pm

I have noticed one bug, if I am connected over net to another pc running the audio source with ArKaos connect and Grand VJ is shut down on the remote Pc Connect still shows connected. both in number of connections and the orange connected

If this is the result of making the connection more stable, not really an issue for me

Sharyn

by **askapple** » Tue May 03, 2011 7:52 pm

I'm having issues getting the entire interface to fit on the screen, for some reason it won't allow me to adjust the width of my screen below a certain amount. It ends up extending off the side onto my full monitor screen, this doesn't happen with the 101214, but it does with both recent beta versions.

any ideas?

by **pierre** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:47 am

for some reason it won't allow me to adjust the width of my screen below a certain amount

What's the resolution of your screen?

by **askapple** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:26 pm

Im running on a 15 inch elo touchscreen, and it's at 1024x768 at 75htz

by **hypnotica** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:14 am

A big request really need a fix when usb midi dropout. I seen other software like serato permitting connecting disconnecting usb midi without restarting software to access it. Please tell me there will be a feature for that.

by **pierre** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:17 pm

Here's the first Release Candidate of GrandVJ 1.5

This version contains the final documentation and graphics and fixes various bugs you may have experienced using beta3.

We've added the support for Akai APC 20 controller by providing mapping templates for both Synth & Mixer modes + the APC 20 feedback.

Here are the links:

Mac:
ftp://ftp.arkaos.net/pub/seeding/GrandVJ/ArKaos_GrandVJ_1_5_RC1.dmg

Windows:
ftp://ftp.arkaos.net/pub/seeding/GrandVJ/ArKaos_GrandVJ_1_5_RC1.msi

Finally, some answers to problems encountered using beta3:

I have noticed one bug, if I am connected over net to another pc running the audio source with ArKaos connect and Grand VJ is shut down on the remote Pc Connect still shows connected. both in number of connections and the orange connected

This problem should be fixed now. Please give us the results of your tests using RC1.

Im running on a 15 inch elo touchscreen, and it's at 1024x768 at 75htz

That's been fixed. The application windows can now fit a 1024x768 screen with all buttons displayed in the toolbar.

by **absentcinema** » Thu May 12, 2011 7:44 pm

Is there any news on the Novation Launchpad template mentioned in the survey? I've been trying to use one for a while but midi feedback causes a huge amount of latency. Submitted tickets and such but no reply.

by **absentcinema** » Thu May 12, 2011 7:52 pm

And a 'cancel' button in the 'New Project Mappings' would also be useful.

by **hypnotica** » Thu May 12, 2011 10:17 pm

New RC love it.

Mixing tab -> mixing presets too much spacing from other setting.
Matrix bank -> right click a visual then adjust speed. But missing dialog when right click from there to reset to default value. hard get speed back to 62.5. Mouse scroller only doesn't do .5 increments.

feature request:
Right click visual could also select the file in visuals section for easy use of the new preview box.

New Report:
Same Visual drag to other layer now reset clip in point. Bug If the clip upper layer in point is set to other than frame zero and you drag copy same clip to lower layer, the clip bugs out to a in/out frame only. It's seems this new feature fixed the glitch of changing speed on same clip, but its the lower layer that is priory of speed and in/out points.

by **pierre** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:14 am

Is there any news on the Novation Launchpad template mentioned in the survey? I've been trying to use one for a while but midi feedback causes a huge amount of latency. Submitted tickets and such but no reply.

We'll work on that as soon as we receive our unit from Novation.

Mixing tab -> mixing presets too much spacing from other setting.

That will be fixed in next release.

Matrix bank -> right click a visual then adjust speed. But missing dialog when right click from there to reset to default value. hard get speed back to 62.5. Mouse scroller only doesn't do .5 increments.

Two things:
1. you can always use right-click --> "reset value" on speed parameter to get it back to default speed.
2. you can use shift/alt + mouse or shift/alt + mouse-wheel to get a lot more precise control over the parameter.

Right click visual could also select the file in visuals section for easy use of the new preview box.

That's the goal with the previewer, but we've started with visual previewing in this version.

Same Visual drag to other layer now reset clip in point. Bug If the clip upper layer in point is set to other than frame zero and you drag copy same clip to lower layer, the clip bugs out to a in/out frame only. It's seems this new feature fixed the glitch of changing speed on same clip, but its the lower layer that is priory of speed and in/out points.

That's still a limitation of the playback engine. If you use a movie twice, the player isn't duplicated, resulting in incoherent playback. A possible workaround is to duplicate the file on your disk and use those two separate files in GrandVJ.

by **Moabyte** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:43 pm

I'm having issues playing HD clips (1280x720 Pjpeg) forward at high speeds without glitching out. Playing backwards is fine. Does this on 2 computers. Does not do this when clips are SD sizes. Clips play fine at high speeds in other apps. Clips are on a 3 disk raid.

1.5 RC1
Mac OS 10.6.7
3 disk Raid

by **hypnotica** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:52 pm

The right-click dialog only show if you click from the layer. When the clip is selected via right-click on the bank, none on the menu will pop out. 8( Personally I prefer the standard of double clicking the value bar for instant reset to default.

True i understand the limitation. I do prefer the last older release function that it didn't restart clip back to IN Point when duplicating by drag to multiple layers. Special request for using long clip

Special request on the new preview tab, can you unlock the position value so that we can drag it on the middle section with the visual and effects value.

by **pierre** » Thu May 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Here's the second Release Candidate of GrandVJ 1.5

We've fixed the last remaining bugs, but most importantly, we've fixed some instabilities you may have experienced using previous versions of the software.

Here are the links:

Mac:
ftp://ftp.arkaos.net/pub/seeding/GrandVJ/ArKaos_GrandVJ_1_5_RC2.dmg

Windows:
ftp://ftp.arkaos.net/pub/seeding/GrandVJ/ArKaos_GrandVJ_1_5_RC2.msi

Enjoy!

by **absentcinema** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:20 pm

Doesn't want to install over the previous RC, demands an uninstall first. Never encountered this before with GrandVJ.

by **pierre** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:44 am

Doesn't want to install over the previous RC, demands an uninstall first. Never encountered this before with GrandVJ.

It's always the way it goes for minor updates.

by **Moabyte** » Fri May 20, 2011 8:20 pm

My issues playing HD clips faster was fixed with the RC2, thanks. Going to give it a good work out this weekend.

Also, I'm testing the latest version of Modul8 and Syphon and successfully bring M8s output into GVJ via Syphon QC client. Its brilliant how well the 2 apps play together. When I launch M8, the audio in levels drop to almost nothing, but I can bring them up in M8 by adjusting the audio in level or via the system preferences. Changing the levels in GVJ has no effect. Strange thing is, I have GVJ set to set to use the VST input running Live on another computer. The VST seems to work fine and audio in test works and there is a slight delay. Shouldn't the VST be sending the audio from the other computer? If so, why does the default audio in level effect the input level in GVJ when the VST is set? Seems to be a slight issue here or maybe I'm overlooking something.

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